Teacher turnover down, reasons unclear
Published January 8, 2015
by Dan Way, Carolina Journal, January 8, 2015
Projections about a mass teacher exodus in North Carolina sparked by Republican legislative policies not only have failed to materialize, but also turnover rates declined last year, according to an annual report issued by the state Department of Public Instruction.
Meanwhile, despite claims from Democratic lawmakers, public-school advocacy groups, and left-of-center organizations that job dissatisfaction is leading to teacher flight from the classroom, turnover rates in education services remain far below levels in many industries, according to federal data measurements.
The 2013-14 Annual Report on Teachers Leaving the Profession submitted in December to the General Assembly shows that 13,557 out of the 96,010 teachers employed during the 2013-2014 school year left their school districts, an overall state turnover rate of 14.12 percent.
“This represents a decrease in the state’s overall turnover rate, as reported for the 2012-2013 school year at 14.33 percent,” the report said.
“I’ve looked at attrition rates in other states … and 14 percent doesn’t look all that different than what you see in other states,” said Dan Goldhaber, an economist who is director of the Center for Education Data and Research at the University of Washington and has researched North Carolina teacher turnover.
But Rodney Ellis, president of the North Carolina Association of Educators, downplayed the DPI turnover report.
“If in fact it reflects a reduction in the teacher turnover rate, I think that’s good for schools. However, I would question whether or not it’s an accurate depiction,” he said. The report runs from March of one year to March of the next, so Ellis said it does not capture “the recent rash of teachers that have been recruited to other states.”
Ellis previously said it is “disconcerting that we are losing good, quality, experienced teachers that have been trained in our state,” and blamed the General Assembly for not making public education a priority, a situation he said demands change.
DPI does not do a supplemental check of teacher turnover after March and cannot say whether there was a sudden out-of-state flight of teachers in the final two months of the 2013-14 school year, spokeswoman Vanessa Jeter said.
“I think that the way policy makers tend to debate this is very crude, and not terribly helpful for improving public education,” Goldhaber said. “Is turnover high or low is not the right question. You really care about the kinds of teachers that are turning over.”
If there is high turnover but most of the teachers leaving are ineffective, that would be a good thing, he said. If there is low turnover, but the bulk of those leaving are effective teachers, that would be a concern.
When he researched North Carolina turnover several years ago, his data revealed “the more effective teachers were actually less likely to leave the profession,” Goldhaber said.
While the 2013-14 DPI turnover report found 37.6 percent of the teachers who reported leaving their jobs had career status, Goldhaber cautioned that tenure and effectiveness are “absolutely not synonymous. … There are lots of really effective first-year teachers, and lots of really ineffective 20-year teachers.”
Further, he said, teaching comprises greater proportions of “really young” and “pretty old” people than other professions.
So if the attrition rate is 14 percent but many of those leaving were in their mid-30s to mid-40s, “I would say ‘Wow, that actually sounds pretty high,” Goldhaber said. But if the turnover occurred at the two age extremes, “I would say, ‘Oh, 14 percent, that’s actually pretty low.”
The teacher survey on which the DPI turnover report is based includes 28 self-reported reasons filed into five categories, but does not drill down into teacher effectiveness or age demographics.
“The teacher turnover survey instrument used by the N.C. Department of Public Instruction provides the 10,000-foot-view of the issue. We still have little idea why teachers choose to leave their current school or the profession entirely,” said Terry Stoops, director of research and education studies at the John Locke Foundation.
Teachers may leave their jobs for any number of reasons, including working conditions, family circumstances, and compensation, he said, and those who fail to appreciate the multiple facets of employee turnover are using the numbers “for political gain.”
“There is simply no evidence that teachers are leaving the profession as a direct result of North Carolina Republican policies. While a handful of teachers voiced their displeasure with the direction of public education in the state, most quietly moved on to jobs that better meet their expectations and abilities,” Stoops said.
Consistent with past reports, the largest portion of what the state defines as turnover “is simply the movement of teachers from one school district to another,” Stoops said. That accounted for 2,730 teacher turnovers.
Another 1,363 resigned to teach in charter and private schools or remained in education but moved to a nonteaching position. School districts initiated 1,122 teacher removals, and another 2,353 were attributed to situations beyond the school districts’ control, the vast majority of them retirements.
Of 5,030 teachers who quit for personal reasons, only 1,745 teachers left to either teach in another state (734), or due to unspecified dissatisfaction with teaching (1,011). Those categories were up from 2012-13, when 455 left to teach in another state and 887 said they were dissatisfied with teaching.
“Survey data is great for what it is,” Goldhaber said, but “economists are somewhat skeptical of using what people say. They care more about what they actually do, and sometimes what you say [on surveys] is not always what you do.”
Sandi Jacobs, vice president and managing director for state policy at the National Council on Teacher Quality, agrees, and said the education industry has “very poor capabilities” of tracking teachers crossing state lines.
“Most of our evidence does rely on exit interviews or multiple choice surveys that barely crack the surface of why people are leaving,” Jacobs said. “They may very well be relocating for family reasons, but they were dissatisfied so they checked dissatisfaction.”
Modern lifestyles, and colleges pumping out ill-prepared teachers also play a part in teacher departures.
“The 21st century work force is just different than the 20th century work force. People are increasingly more mobile than they used to be,” and are less likely to envision themselves starting and ending their careers in the same place, Jacobs said.
“I think we know that a lot of teachers leave very early in their career. With one, two, or three years in they decide this isn’t for me,” Jacobs said. That indicates teacher preparation at education colleges and licensure requirements in the states allow people into the field “who might be under qualified, and then let them wash out on their own,” to the detriment of students.
There are no annual research reports that compare teacher turnover to turnover in other professions, so it is impossible to determine how North Carolina’s 14.12 percent teacher turnover rate stacks up to other job fields.
But the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics conducts an annual Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey in which employee separations by industry are tracked nationally. It does not distill individual professions, but shows education overall as one of the most stable industries.
The most recent report for 2013 shows that 26.1 percent of employees in education services left their jobs. Education services encompasses much more than classroom teaching, comprising “all occupations of privately owned and operated for profit or not for profit establishments such as schools, colleges, universities, and training centers,” according to the report.
The only industries with lower turnover rates were government (16 percent), durable goods manufacturing (21.9), wholesale trade (23.5), nondurable goods manufacturing (25.6), and finance and insurance (25.9). There were 12 industries with higher turnover rates, including arts, entertainment, and recreation (72.4 percent); accommodation and food services (62.6)’ construction (62.5); professional and business services (56.4); retail trade (49.2); and health care and social assistance (29.4).
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January 8, 2015 at 2:19 pm
Norm Kelly says:
I don't know Dan. I know nothing about Dan. I have not researched Dan on the Carolina Journal website nor any other place. However there are some conclusions we can draw about Dan.
First, he uses facts to prove Demoncrats, lib media types, liberal organizations and others like the teachers union (included in all previously listed groups!), are misleading the general public. This proves that Dan is a racist. It also probably proves that he hates teachers. There's a good possibility that Dan favors private school. And probably school vouchers also. All of which are simply meant to destroy the government school monopoly, leave the poorest kids stranded in failing public schools, and allow racial segregation.
There's not a mass exodus of teachers BECAUSE libs no longer rule Raleigh? This can't be so. Regardless of what the facts show, libs will continue to scream loudly that the only way to prevent the existing, on-going mass exodus of teachers is to raise teacher pay to the national average, or beyond. Next thing you know, Dan will be proving that this is a bogus comparison cuz it only takes into account pay and not any other single thing. Cuz when it comes to teachers, there are no other factors that count. Just like when it's 'for the children' there are no limits on what society is supposed to do.
Turnover in our state is in line with turnover in other states? Does this mean that even those teachers who are paid drastically more, who are paid the national average or higher, choose to leave the system also? There can be NO explanation for this! If a teacher is paid the national average or more, the left, libs, socialists, pols, media types, and the left-wing N&D have all told us that if we only pay teachers at least the national average, NO teacher would EVER leave our state. Of course, those teachers who died on the job would obviously leave their teaching position, but no one else would DARE! The only reason libs/socialists/N&D editorial writers/every other lib tells us that teachers leave the profession in our state is because they are SOOOO underpaid. Teachers leave our state to move to places like Illinois where they are paid incredible piles of money just to show up! Of course, thinking people know that more is taken into account than just pay, but libs don't want us to think and purposely do not talk to thinking people. The cost of living is considerably higher in Illinois. The weather in Illinois sucks. And that's putting it mildly. So, why then do teachers move to Illinois? Why are we told by education establishment types that teachers make this outrageous decision? Because we underpay and under-appreciate teachers here. But the facts show different. Like that comes as a surprise to those of us outside of the education establishment! Even teachers that have been indoctrinated into the socialist mindset, those who are die-hard supporters of their 'association', have enough thinking ability to know the truth. And now we find that the libs, the education establishment, media types, and N&D editorial writers have all been telling lies? This is so unlike left-wingers! Left-wingers almost NEVER tell lies. You know, I've still got my same doctor. I still have my same health insurance policy. That's because the left-winger in charge promised multiple times that I could, so I do. Oh, wait. I don't. Why? Because he's the LIAR in chief and telling lies seems to roll down hill also. It seems that telling lies isn't just part of politician DNA, it's part of left-wing DNA! Remember when it was said that when Billary's lips were moving he was telling a lie? Well, hasn't changed much among pols and especially among left-wingers!
'Rodney Ellis, president of the North Carolina Association of Educators, downplayed the DPI turnover report'. No kidding. Kinda like the editor of the UVa rag that reported on a false gang-rape story said that the facts should not overshadow the narrative? Rodney is an education establishment insider. He lives & dies by how much he can scam taxpayers, to convince us that the facts don't matter, and only paying teachers more is the answer. It is his job. He has no other reason to get out of bed in the morning other than to scam taxpayers.
'We still have little idea why teachers choose to leave their current school or the profession entirely'. Oh, since there's not data to back up ANY story, then let's just go with the left-wing, education establishment assumption that it's ALL because of teacher pay. And our inability to properly appreciate teachers. And the fact that Republicans hate teachers and hate public education.
Terry Stoops: 'most quietly moved on to jobs that better meet their expectations and abilities'. Or Family Obligations. When the major breadwinner gets a 'better' job elsewhere, the teacher moves to follow that person. The reason listed on the exit form becomes irrelevant. The teacher would have left to follow the spouse regardless of the circumstances. Yet, if the teacher lists pay, appreciation levels as the reason, it's another statistic that turnover is due to tightwad Republicans? Talk about stats saying what you want as opposed to actually being useful!
'shows education overall as one of the most stable industries'. Another nail in the coffin of the left-wing whine? I doubt they will see it this way. Left-wingers NEVER let ambiguous information dissuade them from their rants.
'health care and social assistance (29.4)' has a higher turnover than education? Can't be. This is misleading. More proof that Dan is a racist? Left-wingers constantly tell us that health care is so expensive because health care workers are so overpaid. The only reason, left-wingers tell us, that anyone gets into health care is to retire incredibly wealthy. If you want to make more money than Solomon, left-wingers tell us that health care workers are some of the most overpaid individuals on the entire planet! Why, if they are paid so darn well, would turnover be so high? It certainly does NOT fit the narrative of the education establishment & union leaders! And since it does not fit the narrative, it must be wrong and ignored.